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Keyes-Obama debate 2 (Christianity)
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10/21/2004: Obama and Keyes views on Christianity

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Great answer ...
By: usoiro. on 04 Dec 08, 09:30:09
Great answer President-Elect Obama......Conservatives are always runnin' as Minister of Sumthin rather than runnin' as elected officials. Alan "Uncle Tom" Keyes so lost dis debate and he keeps losin' LOSER...

Alan Keyes ...
By: libertyeconomics. on 04 Dec 08, 00:55:16
Alan Keyes clobbered Obama in this.

One's faith is ...
By: alkasalzer. on 03 Dec 08, 19:57:57
One's faith is inherently an influence in one's positions and choices. Regardless, as a Christian, I appreciate someone who is able to realize what role a politician has: it is to solve public problems.

Alan Keyes is a ...
By: RussellUpsomgrubb. on 03 Dec 08, 06:46:31
Alan Keyes is a fucking idiot, now filing suit in California questioning Obama's citizenship. Could Keyes be any whiter?

Obama pretty much ...
By: sarah11790. on 03 Dec 08, 06:38:09
Obama pretty much said his faith has nothing to do with his politics- I don't know why any Christian would vote for him.

Obama doesn't even ...
By: sarah11790. on 03 Dec 08, 06:34:05
Obama doesn't even answer the question- the 2nd guy answered wonderfully

Yeah, damn ...
By: koabarra. on 02 Dec 08, 01:07:22
Yeah, damn Christians shouldn't have opinions or beliefs, huh?

A false religion ...
By: koabarra. on 02 Dec 08, 01:03:57
A false religion that Obama claims to believe in, apparently.

But this is a ...
By: wizKidd86. on 01 Dec 08, 21:04:05
But this is a political debate, not a sermon!

Wow! Alan Keyes is ...
By: cookiethepuss. on 01 Dec 08, 01:52:15
Wow! Alan Keyes is maybe the gayest straight guy I have ever seen!

Obama is an ...
By: spencerdev91. on 01 Dec 08, 01:50:19
Obama is an excellent debater

He's against gay ...
By: spencerdev91. on 01 Dec 08, 01:50:04
He's against gay rights so I doubt it. He's a hardcore christian

Jesus Christ is ...
By: monsterface2008. on 30 Nov 08, 01:51:00
Jesus Christ is coming soon. Going to politics its not going good place to be as Christians. Alan is right on a lot of things, but Jesus says not to be conform but transform. Its good that Alan lost to him, because the world will NEVER accept as a Christian. The world will loves her own, and not Jesus Christ followers. This is lesson learn for Alan Keys.

Is Alan Keyes gay?
By: cookiethepuss. on 29 Nov 08, 21:21:22
Is Alan Keyes gay?

I don't understand ...
By: ChaoticSouls. on 28 Nov 08, 19:55:49
I don't understand why so many people said oh I'd vote for keyes when he uses the same old religious rhetoric that has been dividing this country.

Btw Alan Keyes can ...
By: pmsvictor. on 28 Nov 08, 18:23:19
Btw Alan Keyes can suck my dick.. Why is religion a fucking subject here, as Obama said hes focusing on jobbs etc not a fucking false religion.. WHAT THE FUCK

Oops. You're right ...
By: GodAloneBeTheGlory. on 28 Nov 08, 14:16:32
Oops. You're right. But you did follow up and try to say that other religious texts have the same historical backing as the bible to which I just proved you wrong with all of my earlier posts. Hopefully you will consider what I have said and honestly search out the reasons that the bible is a trustworthy document.

No i was not the ...
By: wildreams. on 28 Nov 08, 04:26:05
No i was not the one that said that u are mistaken.

I claimed that ...
By: GodAloneBeTheGlory. on 27 Nov 08, 18:25:46
I claimed that there was enough documentation in favor of the bible to support my own faith to which you responded: "all you have is documentation? by whom? ill bet most of the are schizos and glory seekers. do believe everything a book tells you? the bible say it, so it must be true! i agree with sayeret the book is full of fairytales. Abraham was a schizo and so was joan of arc and so many others." Therefore, I proceeded to prove you wrong and show you just how reliable these documents are.

Claims? no claims, ...
By: wildreams. on 27 Nov 08, 13:32:55
Claims? no claims, just find all the informations here irrelevant to the video.

Well, if you want ...
By: GodAloneBeTheGlory. on 27 Nov 08, 00:18:42
Well, if you want to know the amount of backing that the bible has, feel free to ask, and I will be happy to share. Just make sure you have all the facts necessry before making claims in the future. Thanks.

I'm not a Bible ...
By: wildreams. on 26 Nov 08, 04:19:24
I'm not a Bible scholar, and we are not interested. Thanks for sharing anyway :)

Which brings up my ...
By: GodAloneBeTheGlory. on 26 Nov 08, 02:39:55
Which brings up my next point. There isn't any historical document that even comes close to the number of manuscripts that the new testament has. The Gospel absolutely the most attested work of the ancient world. Let's compare the number of manuscripts. Plato: 7 Pliny: 7 Aristotle: 49 Tacitus: 20 Cesar: 10 And all of these writings were dated over 1000 years after the original was written. However, the New testament has over 20,000 all of which date to less than 100 years after the original.

Also, I would like ...
By: GodAloneBeTheGlory. on 26 Nov 08, 02:30:44
Also, I would like to point out that even though it says that there are thousands of differences, what that means is that if there are a thousand manuscripts with the same difference in each of them, it counts for one thousand differences in official count. But did you know that out of over 20,000 manuscripts, every last minute difference in them never put any doctrine in question. And this certainly goes for the resurrection as well, which is the core of the Christian faith.

I looked and I ...
By: GodAloneBeTheGlory. on 26 Nov 08, 02:26:14
I looked and I found no backing to his claims at all. Sure, it's true that most early hebrew manuscripts don't have the last 12 verses in Mark, the earliest written Gospel. But even without the last 12 verses, we still have the empty tomb, the divine messengers, and the message that "You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him." I find that a weak argument against the resurrection.

Christopher Hitchens: Christianity is not imposed?!
Posted by: agnosticman77

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An awesome clip from a debate between Hitch and McGrath.

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Rangers !!!
By: WKaliber1. on 05 Dec 08, 01:44:23
Rangers !!!

You wipe your ass ...
By: celtic302. on 05 Dec 08, 00:37:53
You wipe your ass with the bible? Don't be so disgusting!

i wipe my ass with ...
By: WKaliber1. on 04 Dec 08, 23:37:13
i wipe my ass with the bible

Will you imitate ...
By: GodForum. on 04 Dec 08, 23:22:51
Will you imitate your God and become a drunkard too ?

you should now you ...
By: WKaliber1. on 04 Dec 08, 20:08:01
you should now you offended me greatly :P

Sorry, WKaliber1, I ...
By: BurpTheKitten. on 04 Dec 08, 14:46:20
Sorry, WKaliber1, I should have read to the top of the comments before throwing my 2 cents in.

I'm not sure ...
By: BurpTheKitten. on 04 Dec 08, 14:40:01
I'm not sure Hitchens would want to be worshiped.

Yeah. teh Sun pwns ...
By: olafsirpab. on 03 Dec 08, 22:08:44
Yeah. teh Sun pwns Jesus.

I was just kidding. ...
By: WKaliber1. on 03 Dec 08, 18:54:04
I was just kidding. That would be absurd. But I made a point of worshiping something real. I worship the sun, it gives me light and warmth and helps photosynthesis while God does not do anything to me thus Sun > God

NO! Bad! You're ...
By: olafsirpab. on 03 Dec 08, 17:02:31
NO! Bad! You're setting yourself up for some religious person to come around and say: "SEE! SEE! I KNEW THAT ATHEISTS WORSHIPED THESE HERETIC WRITERS!!!" Even though I think you don't mean it in the same way you are paving the road for some self-conscious christian to point to you and think to themselves that because you worship something he can too.

So true what this ...
By: Dorfkanal. on 03 Dec 08, 08:49:12
So true what this man says.

Hitchens is my God. ...
By: WKaliber1. on 03 Dec 08, 02:34:35
Hitchens is my God. I pray to Hitchens and worship him. And as opposed to Jehova, Hitchens is real

This is one of my ...
By: Andraste77. on 01 Dec 08, 18:07:18
This is one of my favorite Hitch clips. I've actually quoted him out of this speech, he's so damn quotable you can't help but remember these things when the topic comes up. Love it, thanks for posting!

Agreed.
By: HiAdrian. on 01 Dec 08, 16:22:26
Agreed.

You don't need to ...
By: LHMcalindon. on 30 Nov 08, 18:15:10
You don't need to capitalize the A in atheism.

Oh and although ...
By: DaveODrisc. on 30 Nov 08, 13:01:41
Oh and although their respective styles differ both Dawkins and Hitch are equal in the fact that they preach unambiguous facts when it comes to religion! like I(strongly) implied before,if anybody wants to delude themselves with religion then they are quite simply idiots! Science IS(the closest thing you'll ever see to)GOD!

Fuck off!!!! You do ...
By: DaveODrisc. on 30 Nov 08, 12:52:17
Fuck off!!!! You do NOT need to talk anybody into Atheism! A persons common sense leads the way! If you are so weak of mind that you need your thoughts to be led,then you will be ultimately imprisoned by your own ignorance! My point is that if they need convincing that truth is truth they are idiots and are fucked in the head to begin with!

First point true, ...
By: 2916. on 30 Nov 08, 08:41:27
First point true, second one, untrue. He and Dawkins both helped guide me into Atheism.

Any being that is ...
By: DanielMurphy007. on 30 Nov 08, 05:14:35
Any being that is pleased/angered by human actions is not "capital G" God. The former is fickle and influenced by our actions, like an overlord unhappy with his slaves. The big guy is eternal, unchanging, the archetype from which we spring. The first one sounds like the demiurge, a creature who REcreates in mockery. The early christian communities, those most likely to live like christ, were ascetics NOTHING like the vain distortion of christianity that is the modern church

He's twice the ...
By: spidydude101. on 30 Nov 08, 04:19:40
He's twice the debater Dawkins will ever be. He's cooler to watch, but he'll never convince a person considering atheism to become an atheist, because he's so abrasive.

this is the first ...
By: Corpsegrinder89. on 29 Nov 08, 23:00:22
this is the first hitchens video i've watched in my life..and i just became a fan

What better way to ...
By: damuvrymuch. on 29 Nov 08, 19:31:57
What better way to control someone physically, and mentally than to tell them they are going to burn in hell for all eternity, and that only you and a certain book of rules and lifestyles will be able to save them from such a horrible fate.

However you still ...
By: damuvrymuch. on 29 Nov 08, 19:31:34
However you still have to follow all the rules and laws and submit to my authority and fear the preacher. Of course, the masses would refuse such nonsense and see right through the lies. However, the way so many religions acheive their converts is by threatening them with the fear of the unknown.

I once thought I ...
By: damuvrymuch. on 29 Nov 08, 19:30:49
I once thought I found "God". Only to find out later, so rudely preached to me, that it was simply an emotional experience, and that to find the "real" God, I had to conform and succumb to a list of certain doctrine, rules, and a new lifestyle. To one extent I believe he was right. I did have an emtional experience that so many mistake for a supernatural intervention. He also unknowingly just disproved religion. What he basically said was that there is absolutely no way of knowing a God exists.

Hitchenssss you rock
By: cherryberry360. on 29 Nov 08, 07:20:32
Hitchenssss you rock

Inside USA - Christianity in US politics - 11 Jul 08 - Part
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The US is a deeply religious country. For almost three decades, the Christian right in the US has wielded considerable power in the political arena. Inside USA asks if Republican candidate John McCain will be able to harness that voting block in the same way George Bush did.

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I fear with the ...
By: BlackMambaLAKB24. on 05 Dec 08, 03:39:18
I fear with the continuation with religion, or at least making people of the world believe in some mythical God IS DANGEROUS IN THE FUTURE. We live by a worthless bible book which is just philosophy and doctrine of murder too.Jesus is more famous than Zeus for sure.Never even existed.Realistically if we can have a dictator who rules all nations on earth when or if we colonize other planets,and religion still control's the world, then we're going to one day have a real celestial dictator.Scary

"mine would be the ...
By: 69salford69. on 01 Dec 08, 13:50:11
"mine would be the Roman Empire" - Hence the reason I said "YOUR PEOPLE ARE COWARDS" (talking about Italians) "i dont know what your talking about potatoes" - The Irish Famine that led to the mass exodus to native America, helping to spawn the shithole of planet Earth in the 1700's

umm...if you want ...
By: crazyitalian131. on 29 Nov 08, 00:29:33
umm...if you want to talk about ancestors and empires...mine would be the Roman Empire haha and i dont know what your talking about potatoes fucktard... go kill yourself!!!!!!!!

"you think its ...
By: 69salford69. on 28 Nov 08, 12:33:38
"you think its always been the UK" - lol No I don't, but I know I live near an English castle that's over 50 years older than USA. I also know "Americans" were simply deserters from Ireland and England amoungst other nations such as Spain and you're speaking MY fuckin language - ENGLISH If it wasn't for our little empire, you'd still be trying to grow a potato LOL

my people.... ...
By: crazyitalian131. on 27 Nov 08, 20:03:14
my people....hahahaha IM AMERICAN BROTHER...we never surrender!!!!!!!!!!! get that through your thick fuckin skully you fucki moron...happy thanksgiving....hahaa but you can just eat shit!!!!!.... my family came here 1800's way before shit went down....and dont talk about surrendering what every country your in over there different people haev ran your shit for centuries you think its always been the UK ahhahahaha silly little fagggotttt..i wish i knew you i would beat the living hell outta u

"YOUR SHIT IS WEAK" ...
By: 69salford69. on 27 Nov 08, 10:44:04
"YOUR SHIT IS WEAK" - Your people surrendered to the Germans. You may aswell have COWARD on your face.

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By: crazyitalian131. on 26 Nov 08, 19:54:02
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"...it wasnt a ...
By: 69salford69. on 26 Nov 08, 09:18:06
"...it wasnt a dictatorship it was an ethnic clensing..." - what was Hiroshima? "Freedom Fighting"? "i was talking more of things like Kosovo" - I have spoken to many people from Kosovo who see you exactly how the Taliban see you - TERRORISTS

Yeah I figured ...
By: JHajjar89. on 22 Nov 08, 01:42:50
Yeah I figured you'd say something stupid that made no sense. You can't defend you're argument. I understand. Just another oblivious brainwashed robot stuck in a box.

do us all a favor ...
By: crazyitalian131. on 22 Nov 08, 00:15:14
do us all a favor hajjar and move to afghanistan....then u wont have to worry about n e thing....if u care so much about them!?

We murdered 200,000 ...
By: JHajjar89. on 21 Nov 08, 20:32:25
We murdered 200,000 innocent civilians yeah thats something to be proud of. Haha, George Bush was right? Look at the mess we're in because of that jackass. Stop dude, you're an embarrasment. You have no idea what you're talking about. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are a joke. The war on terror is a joke. U.S. politics is a joke. They're all crooks and it's coming out of our wallets.

haha naw we didnt ...
By: crazyitalian131. on 21 Nov 08, 17:51:31
haha naw we didnt help nagasaki and hiroshima....we destroyed them ahhahahahhahahahhahahahha why did you bring that up i was talking more of things like Kosovo...and yes you can say afghans...remember what the taliban was doing to those people before we got there....it wasnt a dictatorship it was an ethnic clensing.... but your fuckboy you know everything... and George Bush was right...hope ur not against us...

"i want to remind ...
By: 69salford69. on 21 Nov 08, 14:22:00
"i want to remind you that 99% of the time US interfers with affaris in the world its to help people..." They helped who exactly? Nagasaki? Hiroshima? Vietnam? Iraqis? Afgans?? "you are either with us, or you're with the terrorists" - George Bush pointing out that if you don't do as your told you will die

"Could anything ...
By: 69salford69. on 21 Nov 08, 14:18:52
"Could anything like North American Freedom of religion take place in Saudi Arabia?" - you say it like religion is a good thing? I challenge you to provide ANY evidence that one single "God" has existed since historical records began... If you cannot, then surely "religious freedom" is just another method of keeping people from working together?

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Whether Right or ...
By: afrircans1970. on 03 Nov 08, 14:48:10
Whether Right or Left, consider this: Could anything like North American Freedom of religion take place in Saudi Arabia? You can beat on the USA all you like, but the elementary freedoms inherent in the liberties that are defended from the Constitution on down to the local law enforcement even be conceived in many other countries? No; they actually don't even exist in MOST other countries outside the EU or N. America! It's easy to find fault; it's much tougher to defend freedom.. MUCH tougher!

there is this idea ...
By: sk8bow. on 02 Nov 08, 18:03:18
there is this idea that minorities are taking over and that whites will be disenfranchised and powerless . this belief is paranoia and it is not realistic. please conservative republicans i want to say this. relax and let the darker part of our nation be part of our country. this may sound strange and racial but it is what's going on.

Wow. I sure do ...
By: MapleTreeOfKnowledge. on 01 Nov 08, 23:26:46
Wow. I sure do admire your overwhelming intelligence. Silly me, I forgot, Americans know the values passed down by their Founding Fathers, they just ignore them. That's for pointing out my mistake.

um...my first ...
By: crazyitalian131. on 01 Nov 08, 06:38:58
um...my first response was that you were saying that americans dont know what there values are and you decide to broaden the entire comment on making it about the US gov't haha silly canadian fuck...dont you relize your a piece of shit... but i want to remind you that 99% of the time US interfers with affaris in the world its to help people...(find out how many countries the US is feeding right now??...or making sure people like you bitch boy can have the freedom of speech...

Go fuck yourself. I ...
By: MapleTreeOfKnowledge. on 01 Nov 08, 06:11:14
Go fuck yourself. I am in no way obligated to worry only about my own country. Your constitution proclaims that ALL men are created equal and is filled with such values of Freedom of Speech and Opinion. It doesn't proclaim that only AMERICANS are created equal and that those values and rights are only American. Perhaps when YOUR country decides to worry about itself and stops interfering in the affairs of the world and carrying on as if they own it I'll start worrying about only my country.

just to let you ...
By: crazyitalian131. on 01 Nov 08, 02:33:31
just to let you know canadian....americans from pre-school to high school are taught american history....the same stuff every year since we are 5 years old....dont try to proclaim some sort of knowledge of what the majority of americans intelligence of their values are... just worry about your country...

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Inside USA - Christianity in US politics - 11 Jul 08 - Part 2
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The US is a deeply religious country. For almost three decades, the Christian right in the US has wielded considerable power in the political arena. Inside USA asks if Republican candidate John McCain will be able to harness that voting block in the same way George Bush did.

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Religion must end ...
By: BlackMambaLAKB24. on 05 Dec 08, 03:55:39
Religion must end in all forms accept Morality. Morality has nothing to do with religion and can be separated.Keep these delusional people out of office before we start W.W.3. Opps! It already started.

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Right On the money ...
By: apks2004. on 12 Oct 08, 21:47:41
Right On the money Video!

Sorry, but the ...
By: twinturbine. on 22 Aug 08, 15:28:43
Sorry, but the first paragraph is not true. Yes, some postings are dangerous, others are not. It depends how committed you are to advancing freedom As for the 2nd paragraph which terrorists are you referring to? Hamas? Hezbollah? Al-Qaeda (which faction)? Taleban? Waziri Tribesmen? ETIM? etc (pls look them up before replying) Some yes, others no, others perhaps, its not that simple As for the 3rd paragraph, I challenge you to prove the need for military intervention without emotive reasoning

Ya well any ...
By: Uaz31. on 22 Aug 08, 13:20:58
Ya well any volunteering in the middle east through peaceful non violence will still get you killed. They (terrorists) are not making any distinction between aid organizations and militarty organizations. Its just death to westerners and all those that support them. If you don't see the need for military intervention then you are very much blind.

You must have never ...
By: twinturbine. on 22 Aug 08, 10:16:46
You must have never picked up a history book, if your unwilling to do so then perhaps, instead of launching barbs at me, you could travel to countries that the US has left in ruins & volunteer in reconstruction & implementing democracy through peaceful means. Perhaps there you will learn there is a world beyond yourself Finally, I would thank you for not lecturing me on the virtues of democracy, where I'm from we risk more for ACTUAL democracy than most plump, laz-e-boy bound Americans ever do

I find your reply ...
By: twinturbine. on 22 Aug 08, 09:19:54
I find your reply to be both rude and arrogant. It is a shame, I was hoping to understand the American religious right, instead I am subjected to shrill the arrogance of someone who DOES NOT CAREFULLY READ what I had take the time to write and who lives in a painfully simplistic world where that the US can do no wrong. I think I will end this as I have my answer regarding the American religious right. A group so arrogant & unwilling to listen they have turned their backs on Christian teachings

The King James ...
By: Uaz31. on 22 Aug 08, 08:22:42
The King James Bible is the best translation from the original Greek and Hebrew I suggest you read that one. The other translations were either translated from the Latin which was translated from the Greek and Hebrew or you have the new easier to read Bibles like the NIV which is a complete misinterpretation of the words, editing what they felt it should say instead of what it does say.

I condemn ...
By: Uaz31. on 22 Aug 08, 08:13:23
I condemn acusations such as your comments, you sound like the terrorist not the peace keeper. What threat?! Have you been living in a cave or something? Talk about ignorant... "their cause" You seem to want to steriotype all Arabians to have the same ideology. Its only the terrorists that want us out of there. The majority of the people are benefiting from our occupation not hurting. We're there to topple the evil regimes not murder innocent people.

You forget were not ...
By: Uaz31. on 22 Aug 08, 07:54:46
You forget were not over there to murder anyone, we are there to bring stability. Saddam murdered alot of people as u stated and I'm sure he influenced even more deaths as a result of his regime. The only slaughter that is being done is by the terrorists. You seem to have a vague understanding of the war on terror or even what a democracy is. Did you not know the USA is a peace keeping nation? That we allow freedoms that other nations only dream about.

The war's design ...
By: Uaz31. on 22 Aug 08, 07:38:02
The war's design was and is to contain the threat to the USA and our allies. What leads to democracy is the need for democracy. When people stand up for what they believe in despite heavy persecution including death.

Finally; what ...
By: twinturbine. on 21 Aug 08, 17:43:17
Finally; what threat? The followers of Sayid Qutb are few & few between. Arab leaders Nasser, Mossadeq even Saddam were far removed from Jihadist teachings. Osama's own ideology in tatters, rejected by the Arab mainstream, they turned on the US out of desperation & outrage, to galvanise the Arab world to their cause Sadly the US, led by the neo-cons, have generated more hostility amongst ordinary people than Osama could dream of. I Recommend "The Power of Nightmares" available on youtube

Regarding the body ...
By: twinturbine. on 21 Aug 08, 17:31:42
Regarding the body count; according to the Strassler family Center for Holocaust & Genocide Studies at Clark University Saddam killed approximately 200,000 In June 06 the Iraqi Health Ministry survey found the war & occupation was responsible for in excess of 400,000 deaths. This is the most conservative view, with the Opinion Research Business survey claiming over 1m deaths The wickedness of this is staggering, I imagine a Christian would be compelled to condemn this slaughter unreservedly

Regardless of which ...
By: twinturbine. on 21 Aug 08, 17:20:01
Regardless of which edition of the Bible you keep, the spreading of death is despicable & the justification for such violence (WMDs) proved false. The war's design was to cut a swath through the Mid East from Kuwait to Turkey, projecting US power over the Arab states & to contain Iran. Democracy an afterthought at best Self-determination, example & education is what leads to democracy. Imposition & death leads to resentment & a rejection of the ideal, & reform must once again start from zero

The proper ...
By: Uaz31. on 21 Aug 08, 06:49:51
The proper translation is "thou shall not murder" its not speaking of killing in general. More people have been killed and oppressed during Saddams occupation than the war now. The last part of your comment has some truth to it, but its not the US that destroys the democracy, its only when its not wanted that it is destroyed. Democracy is also being pushed because of the great human rights violations being done in these countries to its own citizens and their threat to the rest of us.

I suppose it ...
By: twinturbine. on 20 Aug 08, 03:13:54
I suppose it depends of which particular translation you're referring to and my Koine Greek isn't up to scratch. Thousands of US troops and a war waged failed to murder anyone? pls explain More have been killed in the occupation of Iraq than Saddam had been responsible for & your President bears irrefutable responsibility for that. Regarding democracy, its only used when convenient for US power projection, destroyed when it is not & the choice of 'liberated' govts are subject to US approval

Its, "thou shall ...
By: Uaz31. on 19 Aug 08, 17:09:55
Its, "thou shall not murder" and thats not something the bush administration is guilty of. Were helping to end an oppresion and help establish a democracy not murder people, civilian causualties happen in every war.

Uaz31: You're mad, ...
By: twinturbine. on 19 Aug 08, 13:44:51
Uaz31: You're mad, Bush is a wicked man responsible for over half a million deaths in Iraq. "Thou shalt not kill" features somewhere in the bible as I recall. What sane person would care about such minutia as abortion, stem cell research, gay marriage, etc in the face of such slaughter? Furthermore, the neo-con's corrupt ideological agenda has NOTHING to do with Christianity, Thank god Bush has dealt their credibility a fatal blow. See Leo Strauss' 'noble lies' as a start.

Considering the ...
By: Uaz31. on 12 Aug 08, 15:23:52
Considering the alternative, the republican party has a much better understanding of what direction our country must strive towards. We need more intelligent judges in the supreme courts...we have too many ignorant judges now that want to impose their bias views. Nobody is perfect but I'm glad we live in a democratic society that gives us a voice and allows us to decide on the lesser evil, and thad be the republican party.

thank you for your ...
By: GWOZAGO. on 11 Aug 08, 10:52:53
thank you for your advise. I did not realize that Bush was not a Republicans,nor was he the benefactors of their votes.& shares their views intended to marginalized the less fortunates amongs Americans. Getting kick backs to the weapon makers like Northrop Grunman;Lockheed Martin,etc for contributing to his campaigns.Now, most of the billions being spent in wars, are going to them. Electing ultra conservative Republican judges taking over the suprem court.

Try reading slower, ...
By: Uaz31. on 11 Aug 08, 04:33:37
Try reading slower, I didn't mention republicans, I was speaking of Mr. Bush.

You're so right ...
By: GWOZAGO. on 10 Aug 08, 20:36:16
You're so right about this Uaz31,there can't be a better case of a fanatical christian ignornant than yourself,& yours.How about the other Part of the Bible implying that the poor should not be stepped upon in favor of the rich? Jesus,the one Republicans & the so-called coservative claimed to be preaching about, died as a result of standiing up for the poor. The Reblicans are not for any of the issues you had mentioned above.Their true agendas is to control every one. They're control freaks!

All religious nuts ...
By: Deadperson213. on 28 Jul 08, 12:10:57
All religious nuts are fuckin' crazy. We need another crusade.

Think for yourself. ...
By: Circle4Success. on 28 Jul 08, 11:11:41
Think for yourself. Read the "Why Deist" testimonials at Deism d com. It can set you free too.

Familyradio dott ...
By: Uaz31. on 28 Jul 08, 04:52:38
Familyradio dott comm for great Bibical resource and timeline for the end of the world being Oct 21st 2011.

Brief Reflections on the Bioethical History of Christianity
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I'll look into it.
By: ectogambit. on 30 Nov 08, 01:11:05
I'll look into it.

It may help you to ...
By: artyfarty2. on 29 Nov 08, 13:41:52
It may help you to understand the law as it stands. In simple terms it is like this: Once a fetus is deemed fit to survive outside the womb it is considered an independent being and assigned human rights, thus no abortion except for special circumstances like health risks. Prior to that the fetus is considered a part of the womans body and it is her right to determine what she does with her body.

"I don't suppose ...
By: artyfarty2. on 29 Nov 08, 13:37:33
"I don't suppose you could provide references or sources, I did come here to know more about it". Well you can find stats if you search on "social services statistics". but I think you'll have to do a bit of interpretation. Also try 'statistics on children in care' and pair it with other keywords like 'drugs'. I did get some info from Radio 4 but the detail has dwinddled in my memory. Sorry.

Adoption agencies ...
By: ectogambit. on 29 Nov 08, 12:44:46
Adoption agencies could place the infants with loving parents though I don't know what the statistics are on that process. "stats for their life outcomes are pretty awful" I don't suppose you could provide references or sources, I did come here to know more about it.

"9 months of ...
By: artyfarty2. on 29 Nov 08, 08:19:35
"9 months of pregnancy and the pain of child birth would appear the lesser of 2 evils.", what about the evils of bringing a baby into a loveless or violent relationship? or consigning a baby to state care for which the stats for their life outcomes are pretty awful. A high percentage end up in violent crime and drug additions. "Of course as a guy its easy for me to say that. ". You are right. That is one of the reasons why it is the woman's choice.

"I'll just ask, ...
By: ectogambit. on 28 Nov 08, 23:45:54
"I'll just ask, whose rights are you going to take away?" I guess that's why I started commenting on this post. 9 months of pregnancy and the pain of child birth would appear the lesser of 2 evils. Of course as a guy its easy for me to say that.

"The thing which ...
By: artyfarty2. on 28 Nov 08, 23:01:05
"The thing which bothers me is when abortions are done as a result of such casual circumstances". Well I can't say I am a fan of unplanned pregnancy. No doubt it is quite irresponsible in many cases. At least now you are showing signs of weighing up all of the ethical condiderations. I'll not push the point any further even though I still disagree with your stance, as we are into the realm of a woman's rights vs a fetuses rights. I'll just ask, whose rights are you going to take away?

I'd agree. In ...
By: ectogambit. on 28 Nov 08, 21:52:56
I'd agree. In situations of rape abortion is entirely understandable and I don't think I could block someones decision in that situation. The thing which bothers me is when abortions are done as a result of such casual circumstances. Like if the consenting adults just couldn't be bothered with contraception. I seems to make life so cheap and disposable.

As I said I started ...
By: ectogambit. on 28 Nov 08, 21:33:22
As I said I started talking to people on this video post to try and gain some insight into the abortion issue and unfortunately you haven't helped at all. All you seem to have tried is to take me on a guilt trip a tactic chosen by the religious right and it is very one dimensional and really does not take the issue into consideration. Thanks for the effort though.

"It emerged that in ...
By: ectogambit. on 28 Nov 08, 21:13:51
"It emerged that in 1998 one daughter rang Childline, a charity to help abused kids, and asked for assurances about being able to keep her children if she came forward. When Childline could not make that guarantee, the daughter did nothing more to raise her plight" Well that is an opinion from 1 of the mothers at least according to the CNN. So why don't you ask the 7 surviving children and poach their vote and tell them what you would have forced on them.

"So how many months ...
By: artyfarty2. on 28 Nov 08, 16:20:29
"So how many months old do you think a fetus can be before abortion's are a no no. ". I would say it depends on the circumstances. If a woman's life is under threat at the point I think it entirely ethical to terminate at any point in the pregnancy assuming there isn't a viable alternative.

The point here is ...
By: artyfarty2. on 28 Nov 08, 16:17:30
The point here is that if abortion were illegal these women would be forced to give birth, and in the case mentioned they would have been little more than baby factories. That is the life you would be forcing upon these women. Its bad enough that they have been raped so many times, but you want them to suffer the pain and risks of child birth and child responsibilities too?

"In extreme cases ...
By: artyfarty2. on 28 Nov 08, 16:14:53
"In extreme cases like this I just don't know and when I'm unsure I tend to choose life yet it situations like this it clashes with human rights. ". Absolutely. Ethics is about weighing up the outcomes for all involved. The view that you have so far espoused is one chosen by the religious right and it is very one dimensional and really does not take everything into consideration. You have to look at the suffering or potential for suffering for all parties involved. Nothing is easy.

In extreme cases ...
By: ectogambit. on 28 Nov 08, 02:20:11
In extreme cases like this I just don't know and when I'm unsure I tend to choose life yet it situations like this it clashes with human rights. I started talking to people on this video post to try and gain some more insight into the abortion issue.

Wait ive got a ...
By: ectogambit. on 28 Nov 08, 02:06:54
Wait ive got a better idea. According to the article on CNN "The 2 daughters were made pregnant 19 times, there were 9 births, 5 miscarriages and 5 terminations. 7 of the children are alive but suffer genetic deformities." Well there's the answer. You want to know how forcing women to give birth is ethical? Ask the mothers but ask the 7 surviving children to. My opinion is kinda moot in comparison. Apparently there were 5 terminations but I don't know if those or the births were forced.

I don't think I'd ...
By: ectogambit. on 28 Nov 08, 01:29:53
I don't think I'd want to force anything on anyone. So how many months old do you think a fetus can be before abortion's are a no no. Oh and leave the guilt trip to fundamentalist Christians.

I suggest you take ...
By: artyfarty2. on 27 Nov 08, 18:17:27
I suggest you take a look at a case that came to light in the last year in the UK. Search with 'Dad raped daughters for 27 years' on Google or Yahoo. Then come back and explain to me how forcing these women to give birth is in anyway ethical.

Of course THE WOMB! ...
By: ectogambit. on 05 Oct 08, 20:34:18
Of course THE WOMB! Damn I totally did not realize that a womb was required for pregnancy. I feel a bit foolish now, thank you for your help. Did it occur to you that when I said "just something if left alone" may refer to not terminating a pregnancy or abortion? Ever heard of quote mining and straw men.

"I'm not talking ...
By: dancingnature. on 05 Oct 08, 19:28:53
"I'm not talking about sperms or eggs on their own, just something if left alone will grow to a human being. " actually without a sort of "this side up" stamp from the mother's genes,the balls of human cells wont develop into a human fertilized eggs from humans never grow into people without a womb your anti abortion argument is based on bad info

Its not just value ...
By: ectogambit. on 05 Sep 08, 12:19:15
Its not just value in the in would or going to be human potential but respect as well. I'm not talking about sperms or eggs on their own, just something if left alone will grow to a human being. Terminating the beginning of human life because you don't want it and discarding it because its worthless seems like arrogant presumption to me. I don't mean to insult anyone but just to have my perspectives challenged, I think it is a controversial subject which dosent need religion to stick its oar in.

Sorry to have ...
By: cidvisions. on 05 Sep 08, 06:54:59
Sorry to have assumed you were a christian, I know I would be insulted. What confuses me though is why you see value in potential. I can agree that there should obviously be limits on how late an abortion can be legal but if you don't think that a zygote has a soul what exactly are we talking about saving? Do you also argue that it would be wrong for a man to get a vasectomy because his 'Potenitial' is being removed? It is the same argument.

"Looking back, we ...
By: Uxoriouswidow. on 03 Sep 08, 19:46:02
"Looking back, we would have existed if the very opertunity for fertilisation hadn't occurred" Wouldn't, that should say.

Looking back, we ...
By: Uxoriouswidow. on 03 Sep 08, 19:45:11
Looking back, we would have existed if the very opertunity for fertilisation hadn't occurred. It means nothing. It's like a child looking back and being thanful that his parents weren't using contraception. A faetus is no more understanding of what it is to live or have a future than a sperm or egg, or even their chemical precursors.

Part of you was ...
By: Uxoriouswidow. on 03 Sep 08, 19:41:25
Part of you was also once in gametes. Would you implore that your parents had sex so that you get a right to life?

As a "christian" US ...
By: t4705mb6. on 03 Sep 08, 15:09:06
As a "christian" US citizen, if you had to give up the power windows and cruise control in your car in order to feed a starving child, would you? Remember, you would have to use a hand crank for the window and your leg would occasionally get tired on long trips. It's a dilema. What WOULD "Jesus do"??

$Animal Leftist Wa. Gov. Allows Never Seen Attacks on Christianity, Christmas?Bill O\$

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If it's not "Merry ...
By: havoc1310. on 04 Dec 08, 17:52:56
If it's not "Merry Christmas" then don't take off for Christmas. I'm gonna cuntpunt anyone who wished me a Happy Holidays or offering a Holiday Tree.

Liberals throw ...
By: USAJuly4th1776. on 04 Dec 08, 08:06:44
Liberals throw around any argument to confuse the real issue at hand, the obvious and shameless attack on Christmas, America's most beloved holiday for far-left political purposes! You douche bag liberal militants are relentless, merciless, cynical, obnoxious and plain hateful. While America is in trouble, you douche bags find nothing better to do than to inject venom and invective in Christmas of all holidays... trying to project your own unhealthy anger and angst upon the rest of the world.

Americans escaped ...
By: USAJuly4th1776. on 04 Dec 08, 08:05:35
Americans escaped religious persecution from the Old World, now liberals are bringing this persecution to the United States. Equality? Then why don't we devote equal time to the KKK during Martin Luther King Day celebration ceremonies? How about devoting equal time to Holocaust deniers at platforms devoted to remembering the deaths of the Holocaust? Or why not allowing creationists equal time to explain their view of the world during science class? Liberals are nothing but hateful fascists.

STALKER! LOL wow u ...
By: ECWpaulBest69XD. on 04 Dec 08, 07:14:53
STALKER! LOL wow u do watch the o'reiley factor!

Stuff like this ...
By: ScottOnasi. on 04 Dec 08, 06:49:02
Stuff like this make me ashamed to hail from her hometown.

One word: ...
By: AlaricRose. on 04 Dec 08, 06:23:16
One word: California.

She is a freaking ...
By: Lavitadolce2007. on 04 Dec 08, 06:11:38
She is a freaking disgrace to this State, YES BILL SHE IS WEAK. WTF is with her? If your asshole Atheists don't like Holiday's then move to an Island with nothing. Remember when you or your family is fighting for your life or to be healed make sure you don't pray for that help from God, You worthless Assholes are just like her. Way to go Gregoire. Merry Christmas All and to all a good night!

Isn't that the ...
By: Lavitadolce2007. on 04 Dec 08, 06:06:50
Isn't that the truth now we have 4 more years of this horses ass, I wonder how further in the hole she can put us.

Atheists think ...
By: owchywawa. on 04 Dec 08, 05:59:42
Atheists think there is some kind of attack on reason... It's said.

Merry Christmas!!!!
By: epidemicstudios. on 04 Dec 08, 03:47:08
Merry Christmas!!!!

Merry Christmas!
By: epidemicstudios. on 04 Dec 08, 03:46:52
Merry Christmas!

lol Paulie, i just ...
By: spinnernet1. on 04 Dec 08, 01:32:48
lol Paulie, i just saw them talking about this on Bill O' Reilley, and decided to watch some vids on Christine Gregoire, lol. and here you are, wtf? lol.

what a bunch of ...
By: ECWpaulBest69XD. on 04 Dec 08, 01:14:02
what a bunch of heartless assholes. if u dont believe in christmas then just dont celebrate it. u got no right trying to take it away from others. and if u disagree with me, then u sir are worst than Hitler!

Why do minorities ...
By: ssgtforce. on 04 Dec 08, 01:01:50
Why do minorities like athiests get so much exposure and have so much to say. I always thought that in a Democracy the majority rules. We have to stand up as Christians for our rights.

I dont care whether ...
By: briand787b. on 03 Dec 08, 22:36:34
I dont care whether or not you believe in christmas, but if you try to fight it, you're just an asshole. If i stop getting presents cuz of dueschebags like that fag reading the sign, SOMEONE IS GETTING STABBED.

Its kind of funny ...
By: CASSMAN777. on 03 Dec 08, 22:24:32
Its kind of funny that atheists claim Christianity is slavery, but they're the ones who want to enslave us w/political correctness.

Merry Christmas!!
By: onlyme0630. on 03 Dec 08, 19:04:38
Merry Christmas!!

Gregoire's a moron. ...
By: AlaricRose. on 03 Dec 08, 17:13:02
Gregoire's a moron. She's sunk our entire state, and Seattle and Olympia re-elected her. Fricking awesome.

Unbelievable... ...
By: Northgrant. on 03 Dec 08, 16:16:34
Unbelievable... atheists are always so angry at the world.

Merry Christmas to ...
By: wolfster38. on 03 Dec 08, 15:41:36
Merry Christmas to all! This is my holiday and you won't take it away! Pick your own day and leave us alone. respect us and make your stand on some other day! Oh, thats right, who would listen if you did it on May 3rd or some other random day? You use Christmas because it gets you in the news- cheap shot!

Truly Despicable....
By: maddog66. on 03 Dec 08, 15:25:51
Truly Despicable....

Merry Christmas Too ...
By: lorrainegate. on 03 Dec 08, 15:21:12
Merry Christmas Too All!! Phone Gregoire!!! Good for Bill, giving us the number!

Glad to see ...
By: Raymond1967. on 03 Dec 08, 14:16:49
Glad to see O'Reilly is starting to post phone numbers for viewers to get involved. In L.A, we have a popular talk radio show (John & Ken - 1 million listeners) who regularly give out phone numbers and mailing addresses on a wide variety of issues. I can't tell you how many times these arrogant politicians caved in when they got a taste of how angry people were with their stupid proposals. Hopefully the blowback from the people with get this Governor to remove the sign.

Put a klansman sign ...
By: jesseakers. on 03 Dec 08, 14:03:12
Put a klansman sign next to Luther King Jr's monument.... come on freedom of expression right...?

Merry Christmas To ...
By: rpauley29. on 03 Dec 08, 13:59:26
Merry Christmas To All!!!

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Why I Don't Believe In Creationism/Christianity Pt. 1
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Faith--Doubting My Christianity
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What is faith in the context of Christianity? What does the New Testament have to say about faith?

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To assert this is ...
By: Mathenaut. on 05 Dec 08, 04:11:15
To assert this is to literally bastardize everything that I have said. I state that people need to decide for themselves what their meaning and purpose and life should be. Yet, you somehow turn this into me asserting that people should only lead their life the way that I want them to? Even more humorous is how you insist that there is no meaning to life without your specific god, simply because you have no concept of it aside from having 'meaning' spoonfed to you. Oh, the irony.

"Both are rooted in ...
By: Mathenaut. on 05 Dec 08, 04:05:03
"Both are rooted in belief. You wouldn't say someone was a liar if you didn't believe it to be true." Belief in that connotation is a far cry from the faith you hold in your god. This is as frivolous as saying that I have 'faith' that the nature of reality won't be suspended every time I turn my back to something, then alluding it to the same that you have in the supernatural.

Some things to ...
By: TogetherForPeace. on 04 Dec 08, 21:52:56
Some things to consider: 1. Not all doubts stem from rational inquiry. I would say most frequently doubts arise from emotion and in some cases cross over into sincere questions regarding such things as the trustworthiness of the Bible. 2. Simply because something comes from the rational part of brain doesnt mean its true or that we should embrace it. Peace be w/ you.

You also believe ...
By: TogetherForPeace. on 04 Dec 08, 21:51:33
You also believe there is some association between the doubt one has about God or Christianity and the rational part of the mind. Translation of all this is accept your doubt to be true since its coming from the rational part of your mind. This is your belief which although you asserted it as though it was true is indeed nothing but your belief and I would say when closely looked at your belief probably isn't something you practice in your own life.

The difficulty is ...
By: TogetherForPeace. on 04 Dec 08, 21:46:10
The difficulty is some atheists speak as though the know it to be true there is no God. Of course all people at times speak as though they know something to be true. Let's take your comment for example: "Embrace doubt. Listen to the rational part of your mind that is trying to tell you that something is WRONG. It is your ticket to intellectual freedom, take it." You apparently believe that something about doubt is worthy of embracing as it relates to belief in God. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Mathe- Indeed there ...
By: TogetherForPeace. on 04 Dec 08, 21:26:28
Mathe- Indeed there are different degrees in which someone can express and/or hold their belief. Some can express or hold their belief as though they know it, meaning there is absolutely no chance of it being otherwise. Others can express the same belief but with not as much certainty because they realize they don't have all the information to assert their belief as being something they know for sure.

Both are rooted in ...
By: TogetherForPeace. on 04 Dec 08, 19:55:12
Both are rooted in belief. You wouldn't say someone was a liar if you didn't believe it to be true.

The irony. There ...
By: Mathenaut. on 04 Dec 08, 19:10:33
The irony. There is a distinction between saying "I don't believe you." and saying "You are a liar." I can only hope that I don't have to explain this.

The most common ...
By: Mathenaut. on 04 Dec 08, 19:08:39
The most common obstacle I come across as an atheist, is that christians constantly presume to tell me what I do and do not believe, then build an argument from it. You have trouble seeing the distinction between simply not believing in something, and making an assertion about the nature of something. Atheism isn't a statement about the nature of any particular god. Gnosticism is another matter entirely. For you to insist otherwise is to make a strawman of the position.

The funny part ...
By: TogetherForPeace. on 04 Dec 08, 19:07:01
The funny part Mathe is that you have dogma that you're holding onto like any religious person. You come on my channel telling others what they should value and strive for all the while never telling them how life is ultimately meaningless and really you can have whatever meaning you want because you Mathe have nothing to base your beliefs on about your life and what we should value other than yourself.

You've defined what ...
By: TogetherForPeace. on 04 Dec 08, 19:01:37
You've defined what intellectual freedom means to you I'm sure that will be helpful for you as you continue to define your life's purpose knowing that it has no ultimate one. But hey humanity doesn't need some grand purpose no of course no instead humanity can talk about intellectual freedom and pretend like they have some grand purpose to strive for as if anything that brought humanity about actually cares.

Mathe- I have ...
By: TogetherForPeace. on 04 Dec 08, 18:58:04
Mathe- I have absolutely no desire to get into a discussion in the comment section regarding the nature of belief and what makes one. A person can use a variety of different ways to avoid making a positive assertion of belief for exam: Let's say you know a friend stole something from you. Your friend says, "I didn't steal anything." To which you say, "I lack a belief in your honesty." or you can say, "I don't believe you." or "I disbelieve you."

Mathe- Atheism is ...
By: TogetherForPeace. on 04 Dec 08, 18:51:34
Mathe- Atheism is the belief there is no God. Now you may be one of those atheists that say, "no it's a lack of belief in God." Which if so perhaps the notion of intellectual freedom hasn't sunk in on all fronts for you. Role playing time: Friend says, "I lack a belief in Santa." So you're saying you don't believe in Santa. "No, Santa isn't real so I can't believe in something that's not real so I lack a belief." So you don't see how saying, 'Santa isn't real' is a statement of belief?

Your series was ...
By: julzabro. on 04 Dec 08, 16:59:09
Your series was titled, "Doubting My Christianity" and u kept talking about feeling that u were being asked to have BLIND faith...check your brains at the door...so, it sounded like YOU were having or HAD at some point a faith crisis. My bad.

Not that I'm ...
By: Mathenaut. on 04 Dec 08, 16:31:25
Not that I'm looking to come off as hostile here...but do you even know much about what you are criticizing? You speak of disbelief as if it were ascribing to a belief in and of itself, something that doesn't even make sense to assert. Intellectual freedom is NOT being binded by senseless dogma, doctrine, and scripture. Christianity, by definition, cannot offer that.

By all means, ...
By: Mathenaut. on 04 Dec 08, 16:28:30
By all means, embrace the doubt about the strawman you are making of atheism. It is almost amazing how you're literally telling people about what they believe, based upon what they don't, then insisting that said belief system (that you fabricated) is wrong on the basis that you say it is. It's simply a question of whether you don't realize what you are doing, or are like most christians who are simply dishonest and deceptive about it.

Oh, the irony. ...
By: Mathenaut. on 04 Dec 08, 16:25:05
Oh, the irony. Though, I am curious...what is this 'mantra' that you speak of? There is no mantra to disbelief. It is a simple matter of seeing the world for what it is, finding the courage to accept your freedom and embracing your destiny. Mostly, it's about realizing that there isn't some magical force that will sweep in and save the day when you're feeling down. It's about accepting responsibility for your own life and leading it by your own means.

Embrace the doubt ...
By: TogetherForPeace. on 04 Dec 08, 16:21:25
Embrace the doubt and questions you have about atheism...embrace the questions when you hear some atheists talking as though they have a corner on the market when it comes to what intellectual freedom is. Embrace the truth you see of the inconsistency of atheism and how they reject ultimate meaning but want to impose there own meaning on those who are religious.

Mathe- 'then you ...
By: TogetherForPeace. on 04 Dec 08, 16:20:13
Mathe- 'then you need to embrace it' :) If you're an atheist and you are doubting the mantra some atheists give that there is no god and you're slowly realizing that it is so undeniably clear there is a Creator just embrace it. If you're an atheist and having doubts along with unanswered questions...then you need to embrace it.

naw sermons i give ...
By: TogetherForPeace. on 04 Dec 08, 15:43:58
naw sermons i give are much longer :) and I'm not have a crisis at all regarding my belief in God and his revelation through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ

If you're a ...
By: Mathenaut. on 04 Dec 08, 15:33:13
If you're a christian and are having doubts along with unanswered questions...then you need to embrace it. Embrace doubt. Listen to the rational part of your mind that is trying to tell you that something is WRONG. It is your ticket to intellectual freedom, take it.

Ur having a faith ...
By: julzabro. on 04 Dec 08, 01:44:42
Ur having a faith crisis so u give a sermon?

Have hope not faith ...
By: julzabro. on 04 Dec 08, 01:44:24
Have hope not faith. How do u KNOW Jesus died and rose again? It IS blind...check your brains at the door OBVIOUSLY! HE HASN'T REVEALED HIMSELF!

God goesn't give u ...
By: julzabro. on 04 Dec 08, 01:42:44
God goesn't give u His testimony...other men do. OF COURSE, faith is the assurance of things HOPED 4 or UNSEEN....No one gets in to see the Wizard...not no one not no how!!!

so, faith is ...
By: tomfrankly. on 04 Dec 08, 01:42:14
so, faith is logical because of an unverifiable event from 2000 years ago (that requires faith to believe in)? congratulations.

Doubting My Christianity
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This is the beginning of a series of videos dealing with questions and doubts that I've had in the past and struggles I still face with Christianity.

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I wouldn't say that ...
By: Mathenaut. on 04 Dec 08, 15:29:02
I wouldn't say that michelle comes off as rude...but she comes off as someone rather completely pulled into a brainwashed concept. When the answer to facing doubt is to run away and hide from it...then there is something wrong with your belief system. That falls farther from ideology and closer to something more cultish.

"What I have a ...
By: michelle2chat. on 03 Dec 08, 02:05:00
"What I have a problem with is you basically telling me to go away -for my own good- and stop having discussions." That is NOT what I said at all. We need to stop talking because everything I say you take the wrong way and restate it differently than I intended. Once again, have a great day, EM. :-)

I said that the ...
By: EMTRUE. on 03 Dec 08, 02:01:59
I said that the statement was egotistical; I did not say YOU are egotistical. People do learn through discussions. Learning often lead to changing what you previously thought. That shouldn't be thought of as a bad thing. What I have a problem with is you basically telling me to go away -for my own good- and stop having discussions. This is an open forum where Jack allows comments.

"Listen Michelle, ...
By: michelle2chat. on 03 Dec 08, 01:45:42
"Listen Michelle, I'm sorry but your posts are coming across as rude." -- "I'm happy to say, I've even helped people rethink and even change their theistic views." lol...you called me "egotistical" (elsewhere), which was very rude...you're admitting right there that you wish to deconvert christians (many atheists will deny having this motivation since they want to be consistent in telling christians they shouldn't evangelize)..you're unhappy I addressed it, Ok EM take care, have a great day :)

Listen Michelle, ...
By: EMTRUE. on 03 Dec 08, 00:58:02
Listen Michelle, I'm sorry but your posts are coming across as rude. I have no problem taking part in these discussions. I don't frustrate easily. I'm happy to say, I've even helped people rethink and even change their theistic views. But no matter what, people can always benefit and learn from a healthy discourse with one another.

How on earth would ...
By: michelle2chat. on 03 Dec 08, 00:26:31
How on earth would I be even capable of doing such a thing, assuming somehow that I even wanted to? My post was to encourage you to accept what is (because acceptance is for your own good). :-)

A christian who ...
By: EMTRUE. on 03 Dec 08, 00:19:24
A christian who would argue against reason in the name of faith would never get on a roller coaster that just had a hydraulic leak. A logical mind would recognize the context and lead towards a decision that would protect the thinker. That kind of thinking, however, is discouraged in christianity because reason quickly leads to profound skepticism. The "reason landmines" are numerous, and the only defense christianity has is the "mighty fortress" -not of God- but of group think.

Well Michelle, one ...
By: EMTRUE. on 03 Dec 08, 00:16:58
Well Michelle, one of the reasons I respect Jack is because he allows himself to be surrounded by people with differing views. This helps to prevent "group think" which often works to prevent discourse and close minds. Do you really want to deny him access to free thought? Would you rather have it that he did not examine reason?

Thank you!
By: good4usoul. on 02 Dec 08, 22:55:21
Thank you!

If we are told in ...
By: michelle2chat. on 02 Dec 08, 21:11:14
If we are told in the bible, "do not be deceived", we should recognize 1) this is a command, (not a suggestion) 2) it places the responsibility to avoid deception on US (none of this "the devil made me do it!" excuse). I would encourage any christian (but particularly those christians who spend time in some of the deeper woods of the internet) to make time to get on blueletterbible and keyword search the words "deceive" "deceived" "deception" etc. Those warnings are there for a reason.

Thank you for the ...
By: michelle2chat. on 02 Dec 08, 20:55:59
Thank you for the kind words, Jim (that encourages me) :-) God uses things to "stretch" us (trials, doubts, etc) and they can work for good but the flip side is there is a danger in (as kelso commented in jack's 2nd video in this series) "embracing doubt". We are held responsible by God to keep ourselves in check! If doubt leads to a quest of diving deeper into learning and discovery then great but if we are not careful, it can be capitalized on by the enemy to drag us into deception.

Shit this whole ...
By: babner. on 02 Dec 08, 19:37:41
Shit this whole floating head thing is amazing!! You must have some serious powers. Have you written any books on how to live our lives, or what races of people we should kill? Perhaps you just playing to peoples emotions for some sort of self gratification? maybe your so lonly in jesusland that your emotions overshadow your brains ability to think logically. Anyhoo let me know if that book available i'm about out of shit paper.

Agreed Michelle. I ...
By: TheEdge012. on 02 Dec 08, 16:09:20
Agreed Michelle. I have never been pushed to the depths of dangerous doubt. But I often have taken breaks to recharge and take care of myself. It's people like you and Jack that keep me motivated.

good4usoul-- in no ...
By: TogetherForPeace. on 02 Dec 08, 08:04:46
good4usoul-- in no way do you need to believe the earth is 6,000yrs old in order to be a follower of Christ. There are plenty of Christians who are what is commonly called theistic-evolutionists. peace be with you and keep the main thing the main thing.

hi Jim. Yeah. :( ...
By: michelle2chat. on 02 Dec 08, 07:57:47
hi Jim. Yeah. :( You know what, as long as the discouragement is minor, then it can be ridden out... but if excessive (and it may be for some, because we all have our limits) I really do think that many christians would sooner delete their youtube accounts and remove themselves from the game than allow their faith to deteriorate to the point of deconversion..(if they were to recognize any personal danger signs). One's spiritual health is one's own responsibility to guard and protect.

EMTRUE, our friend ...
By: michelle2chat. on 02 Dec 08, 07:07:23
EMTRUE, our friend Jack knows he has a calling on his life, and he is obedient to that call. It is endearing that you are concerned. You, as well as many others, are very compassionate but your concern is misplaced. :-) It would be best for you to accept the reality that he will not deconvert otherwise you'll grow frustrated. Persistence on your part will only serve to backfire since it provides a platform for which the steadfastness of his solid faith can be examined by many.

Alot of pot smokers ...
By: Mathenaut. on 02 Dec 08, 02:25:59
Alot of pot smokers believe that they can fly. The fact that there are alot of them does not lend credit to their claim.

"If my claim that ...
By: Mathenaut. on 02 Dec 08, 02:25:21
"If my claim that something is blue is not consistent with what my eyes see" The problem with this analogy is that colors are well and defined. Even a blind person can determine what color something is by using an instrument to determine the reflected wavelength. If you think that colors are changing when the data says otherwise, it is safe to assume that the colors are not changing, and that there is something wrong with how you are seeing.

"The same can be ...
By: Mathenaut. on 02 Dec 08, 02:22:44
"The same can be said to those who reject Christ." In the given context, I don't see how that would even make sense. Unless you are going with the typical 'anything not ascribing to my specific faith is a lie' approach. " When an intelligent christian of respectable character comes along some will be intrigued to ponder why such a one sees value in serving Christ." What does this say of the intelligent minds that see no value in service to your christ?

Where does Jesus ...
By: good4usoul. on 02 Dec 08, 00:09:53
Where does Jesus say "You must believe in Creationism?" I have met a lot of Christians who get all in a tizzy about the whole evolution issue, but I won't let it keep ME from believing in Jesus Christ.

No, it cheapens it. ...
By: BENY0HAMA. on 01 Dec 08, 19:38:00
No, it cheapens it. Why? Because it means that THEY DON'T LOVE US. It's some celestial being that loves you, not your friends and family. You see? They DO love us, but you cheapen it by saying it's god's love.

Jack...thanks for ...
By: TheEdge012. on 01 Dec 08, 18:28:20
Jack...thanks for this. I haven't been in the video production mode lately due to the constant discouragement I get out here. Any encouragement we can give one another really does go a long way!

EM, no doubt you ...
By: michelle2chat. on 01 Dec 08, 07:42:19
EM, no doubt you will be responding :-) so rather than have you think I'm dismissing you, I just want to say I'm needing to get to sleep, work comes early and its going to be another 12 hr day tomorrow (cringe) so it will be awhile before I have internet access...g'nite! :-)

...it changing to ...
By: michelle2chat. on 01 Dec 08, 07:34:09
...it changing to another color never actually occured?

EM, "some don't ...
By: michelle2chat. on 01 Dec 08, 07:33:33
EM, "some don't measure up" ? What? That is not what I am saying. I'm in no way implying christians are "better than" non christians. You know me well enough to know that. Does blue "measure up" better than red or green? Or are they simply different? If something changes from being blue to red or to green, has it become of better quality or has it simply changed? If my claim that something is blue is not consistent with what my eyes see, then am I safe to assume that the event of ...

$Animal Leftist Wa. Gov. Allows Never Seen Attacks on Christianity, Christmas?Bill O\$

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these people, they ...
By: danzor123. on 05 Dec 08, 01:50:10
these people, they are the worst kind of scum bag, bottom feeders on the planet. David Goldstein is a cock! merry war on your ass fuck wadd! if these people hate this country that bad then get the hell out and dont come back! WTF is next? Im really sick of this liberal bullshit. You are all cowards an traitors.

Our gutless ...
By: Robsquatch. on 05 Dec 08, 01:34:27
Our gutless Governor Queen Christine doesn't even have the spine to answer the public for her actions. This political correctness bullshit is getting way out of hand. This is so damn ridiculous that I could not believe it until I seen this for myself. You just have to see it to believe it. "MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!!" and "HAPPY CHANUKAH to all our Jewish friends!"

this is absolutely ...
By: frosie88. on 05 Dec 08, 00:04:01
this is absolutely ridiculous. We need to stand up to this. Call washington state governor and complain! Just let us enjoy our christmas holiday!! Merry Christmas all!!!

It's disgusting. ...
By: ProCarbine1. on 04 Dec 08, 22:16:24
It's disgusting. What Washington state is doing is totally wrong.

It's disgusting. ...
By: ProCarbine1. on 04 Dec 08, 22:15:04
It's disgusting. What Washington state is doing is totally wrong. GOV. Gregoire needs to be slapped really hard.

Keep reading!!! It ...
By: JesusChristIsLord316. on 04 Dec 08, 20:42:42
Keep reading!!! It may or may not ever become clear. I know it doesnt exactly say the word hate. However, it was posted next to a public nativity scene which represents the birth of our LIVING GOD.

Bill's right if you ...
By: JesusChristIsLord316. on 04 Dec 08, 20:18:13
Bill's right if you want your own holiday go get your own. Should be easy to do now since the government is purposely leaving out "In God We Trust" & wants to completely take God out of our Country. But, Please leave what little we have left alone. Soon you'll get your wish. The rest of us need to ask God to stay. Gods Will Be Done. You know were only here for just a little while, but eternity well that's forever. Your choice to make is now. JESUS CHRIST IS LORD!! Amen! & Happy Birthday Jesus!

this entire state ...
By: memama2. on 04 Dec 08, 18:07:26
this entire state is filled with bloated bureaucrat's that do nothing but allow city councils and mayors and govenors to destroy the business community with more government rules. To take away property owner rights and to add illegal aliens kids to the government drain hole of our money. They want to take the working waterfront and SPEND MORE MONEY they do NOT HAVE! instead of retro fitting the viaduct bridge like the Golden Gate is doing. Its cheaper and WORKS!Who allowed the sign?=DumbDims

What they dont like ...
By: mrlurp. on 04 Dec 08, 18:04:20
What they dont like seeing other opinions? Atheists FTW! Freedom FTW!

laurajdahl..I got a ...
By: memama2. on 04 Dec 08, 17:57:31
laurajdahl..I got a "reply"..that said:.."what HATE sign?...I didn't see a HATE sign?.....I went, as a young child to see Olympia with my parents and siblings. If I had been taken to see the nativity and that sign was there....it would have made me feel frightened and upset. My parents would have been furious. I called and talked to them and we all feel as if the only group being discrimated against are Christians and Jews. Congrats.liberal left loons, you voted in Bankruptcy Queen result:IDIOTS

This attack that ...
By: Prey521. on 04 Dec 08, 17:55:16
This attack that the liberals have on Christmas has been bothering me for years.....don't these people have something better to do? Are they so threatened by Christianity that they feel they have to oppose EVERYTHING that has the slightest religious tone? They're a pathetic group of individuals whom will someday regret their lifestyle and rejection of God.

What is taking ...
By: travishanson. on 04 Dec 08, 15:14:42
What is taking place was all prophecized in the bible. People will hate God and be ashamed of him. Praise God that the his word is TRUE. We'll keep praying for you Athiests as there is still hope for you. It's not a matter of if you fall to Jesus's feet, it's a matter of "when". You'll either fall to his feet in this life in Salvation, or you will fall to his feet in the after-life in damn-nation.

Oh and also where ...
By: irishmauddib. on 04 Dec 08, 14:46:25
Oh and also where on the sign does it mock anyones birth? I see nothing on the sign mocking a birth of anyone. Where is the mocking of a birth? The words birth, born, child, baby, kid, pregnant or any word like it are just not there. Im not sure WHAT you are talking about now.

Who is 1secondabs? ...
By: irishmauddib. on 04 Dec 08, 14:45:02
Who is 1secondabs? I dont see a comment from them here. Describe some of this evidence you speak of. I have asked lots of people about it and people just say there IS evidence. None have been able to tell me what it is. Can you imagine doing that in court? "Im not guilty your honour, there IS evidence" "What really? Oh ok then youre free". LOL

Hate sign? Where is ...
By: irishmauddib. on 04 Dec 08, 14:34:46
Hate sign? Where is the hate exactly? which part of the sign promotes hate exactly? I have read the sign 10 times now and I do not know who I am meant to hate.

"no use for Love, ...
By: irishmauddib. on 04 Dec 08, 14:32:57
"no use for Love, Music, Art, Emotion or Spirituality" Huh? Where do you get that idea? A lack of belief in god does not preclude you from these things.

I dont normally ...
By: CristianTheMuslimJew. on 04 Dec 08, 09:15:02
I dont normally agree with him but what kind of weird prick would want to attack christmas?

Our country is ...
By: laurajdahl. on 04 Dec 08, 06:37:48
Our country is about freedom of speech not freedom to HATE! You go O'Reilly!!!!! Finally, someone standing up against hate towards Christians... Why is it okay to hate and discriminate against Christians but no other race, idea, or life style?? Thank God for Bill and people like him that are not afraid to stand up for their dignity.

...and be sure that ...
By: memama2. on 04 Dec 08, 02:21:22
...and be sure that the elected morans all pursue a pathetic ideal to suck the last dollars and ruin more businesses by NOT Retro-fitting the Viaduct in place. It would give us 50 more years of use...save the working waterfront and its surrounding workplaces. And take LESS money than any moronic plan offered. All the contruction companies LAUGH when the ridiculous plans of tunnels and teardowns are discussed. The entire discussion is from elitists not working down there and are PURE IGNORANCE!

..what a godless, ...
By: memama2. on 04 Dec 08, 02:12:44
..what a godless, clueless, and characterless, leader we UNFORTUNATELY have as Gov.~~~demonstrated with this HATE SIGN!~~~Next to the Nativity?..how hurtful and disrespectful, to any Christian. That sign should have been put next to the Garbage cans behind the Mansion. Or next to Christines "winter solstice tree"...she has decorated with the "BILLS DUE"...that are coming to her via our bankrupt STATE!...now she allows someone to take the Holy Birth of Christ and mock it. She should be ashamed!

Ha ha, right I love ...
By: gmcjetpilot. on 04 Dec 08, 00:15:02
Ha ha, right I love that, HAIL SCIENCE, HAIL REASON! Atheist think they are in Star Trek and they're Spock! They have no use for Love, Music, Art, Emotion or Spirituality, its just not reasonable...... Man has a soul that no other living thing has, and its not there by accident out of no where for no reason....which is what atheist beleive. The more I listen to atheist the strong my faith gets..... Happy Celebration of the Baby Jesus Birth Day.

TheotherPrometheus, ...
By: malvohill. on 03 Dec 08, 15:17:27
TheotherPrometheus, good point

Obviousely you're ...
By: travishanson. on 03 Dec 08, 15:14:40
Obviousely you're grossly ignorant 1secondabs. There is NOTHING BUT EVIDENCE that Jesus lived, died, and rose on the 3rd day. Check out the book "More then a carpentar to hear from some of the US's best, all time known, Attorney's who support the case. Wise up....

"May reason prevail ...
By: TheotherPrometheus. on 03 Dec 08, 15:12:15
"May reason prevail"? The sign goes on to make absolute statements that cannot be proved. Yeah. That's reasonable.

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